SubClass Balance Issues

Is it the Extreme Monsters class that is overpowered, or is it just the Lava Skaarj?
Can someone test the Extreme Monsters SubClass please without the Lava Skaarj, and see how it goes. Thanks.

I am trying to incorporate back into the code the suggestions raised in this and the bug thread. Some fixes are quite easy, so can go straight in. Others require significant coding (like the extra AM abilities and the HardCore feedback), so haven't been finished yet.

Sorry to everyone for any lack of enjoyment they might experience while these issues are being resolved.

okay so I played a few maps without the red skaarj and I must say now the class seems pretty balanced. I think the red skaarj is just overkill, naturally they do a lot of damage and with their precise shots they kill way too fast. Especially when stacked with advanced monster damage. I think the red skaarj is too powerful to have as a pet and should be taken out. Of course I know there might be people that would hate to lose their skaarj. If taking out the red skaarj is not what you want you can always reduce the base damage a red skaarj does, but reduce it by more than half or so. The skaarj's accuracy is too much already.

If the red skaarj does get taken out why not add a queen but without the pupae though? Or one of my personal favorites a skaarj sniper but make it a ghost like the ghost behemoth. Or possibly a bunny that can only be used once a wave just like the redeemer or ion, after all the Monster master is a fighting class now.

Elite wrote:

okay so I played a few maps without the red skaarj and I must say now the class seems pretty balanced. I think the red skaarj is just overkill, naturally they do a lot of damage and with their precise shots they kill way too fast. Especially when stacked with advanced monster damage. I think the red skaarj is too powerful to have as a pet and should be taken out. Of course I know there might be people that would hate to lose their skaarj. If taking out the red skaarj is not what you want you can always reduce the base damage a red skaarj does, but reduce it by more than half or so. The skaarj's accuracy is too much already.

Thanks for checking that for me. It helps to get a fuller picture. Perhaps for the short term up the Lava Skaarj to 16 points, so you can only get a max of 1, while I think about replacements. I vaguely remember Druid didn't like the lag that Queens put on the system, so he may not be keen on using Princesses as pets.

just wondering if extra monsters are as much a "burden" on the server as all the Engineer "toys"
I'm just wondering if a few more friendly monsters (more than 3 per Monster Master) would be worse than the multitude of Engineers and their blocks etc.

and barrels!! i hate big barrels and what buggy me the most is that high lvl engis can spawn them once every second or so

Has anyone with the Extreme Monsters SubClass tried the commands
AttackEnemy
Follow
Stay

You will probably need to put them in your user.ini, like
.....
home=AttackEnemy
.....
Period=Stay
.....

No I haven't gotten to that, how do u access those comands? is it by pressing v just as if u were giving commands to your teamates? if not can you please explain

Elite wrote:

No I haven't gotten to that, how do u access those comands? is it by pressing v just as if u were giving commands to your teamates? if not can you please explain

You can type then directly into the console, or edit your user.ini file and directly assign them to keys. e.g.

home=AttackEnemy

to set the home button to issue the AttackEnemy command. Of course you could set any key. But the point is you do not have to use an Alias.

(The AttackEnemy command causes your pets to attack what you are focused on. The Stay command causes them to stay where they are, the follow essentially counters the Stay command)

loving the ghost behemoths,Dual Titans
been playing a bit and it seems just the Lava skaarj are off balance due to the massive damage they deal with a very high accuracy (1 shot kills)
I've gone back to my berserking ways with the Monster Master as I have no heal blasts to spend my adren on fun fun fun

I think the monster master should get some experienced healing though as this would provide them with a little more incentive to heal other characters and be more team-like in nature

so if I type "follow" into the console my monsters will stop wandering around so much and follow me cool

will they sit and roll over though ?

acually i think is better if you go to ur user.ini open it as a text pad. then you bind the command for example you will see W=forwards or something like that, well pick a key that isnt used and add follow

for example you could make this
/=follow (the "/" key is in the num pad)

Thè-Hättêr wrote:

acually i think is better if you go to ur user.ini open it as a text pad. then you bind the command for example you will see W=forwards or something like that, well pick a key that isnt used and add follow

for example you could make this
/=follow (the "/" key is in the num pad)

Yes I agree with Hatter, going into the console brought me problems and said the orders were unrecognized.

When you tell your pet to stay, it stays which is actually very useful but it becomes practically blind to its surrounding, if its not within a foot or two of your pet it will completely ignore it. The follow command is just like normal. And the attack is a nice addition but I think we will benefit from this command mainly in DM when players run away. Here monsters seem to die way too quickly to actually target them with your pets and execute an order.

Szlat wrote:

I vaguely remember Druid didn't like the lag that Queens put on the system, so he may not be keen on using Princesses as pets.

If I remember correctly, I think it is the null web. I recall getting some serious lag on a local server when many queens spawn their web at the same time.

Elite wrote:

Or possibly a bunny that can only be used once a wave just like the redeemer or ion, after all the Monster master is a fighting class now.

The bunny would be like the engineer barrel.

greg11 wrote:

Szlat wrote:

I vaguely remember Druid didn't like the lag that Queens put on the system, so he may not be keen on using Princesses as pets.

If I remember correctly, I think it is the null web. I recall getting some serious lag on a local server when many queens spawn their web at the same time.

My recollection was with Queens, not Poison Queens.