And on the subject of exploits, will players please stop buying both versions of retaliation. You know you are not supposed to buy both, but some players consistently are. Please read the server rules on deliberately using exploits.
Thank you. 

I'd like to see feedback from Spacey on this. Elite has a high AM but completely rocks on all classes, Spacey and I are about the same skill and would feel the effects possably in the same way. Not sure how many 200+ AM are out there. 

I was thinking about a different type of attack - one that spreads from the monster you hit to any adjacent monsters.

So for instance you could have a plague blast - a beam of say 10 degrees wide expanding out in front of the AM. Any monsters caught in it catch the plague - similar to poison, but contagious. Each tick until it terminates, any close monster will also catch the plague - and so on. Each step of the plague would reduce the "closeness" distance by which it will transfer.
 

Actually I side with you on this one Ratar, yes the extreme AM needs either denial or an energy artifact and perhaps a piercing artifact... but to make things balanced you can only make one weapon either a piercing weapon or an energy weapon. And the extreme AM almost impossible to kill is okay since its score is not excessively high, it balances out in the end but then again I did have 2 retaliations maxed out which might of helped increase my survival rate.
 

I think you would notice that for all AM hybrids I said to add a rod, this is because the rod is the source of life for the AM's. Without it they are powerless and I'm still trying to keep it balanced. 

AM/MM: .....the 1 level of energy shield should be just taken out, 1 level is just not worth buying it absorbs adrenaline exceedingly fast that it is better to not buy it at all 

WM/MM:...and ... around 4 levels of vamparism. ... 

MM/ENG: .... Also needs armor vamparism at least to level 5. Needs shield regen at least to 7 

WM/AM: I think it needs 5 levels of advanced damage bonus and the rod and level 4 vamp, 3 just isn't quite enough. 

WM/ENG: I think it needs 5 levels of advanced damage bonus and level 4 vamp. Shield regeneration should be cut to level 7 perhaps not 10, and this hybrid already has armor vamparism level 5 

AM/ENG: I think it needs armor vamparism to level 5 and also armor regen to level 2 and shield regeneration to level 7. The energy shield might prove handy for the excess adrenaline. This class definitely needs a rod but I'm not so sure it needs adrenaline drip 3 perhaps 2 is enough? 

.... and we definitely need something in the denial or energy/piercing artifact. I would almost say that if we go the artifact route, making a single weapon to something like a energy weapon with the equivalent of resupply 4, and to get nearly the same adren a normal AM would get (e.g. if extreme AM gets 50% of what a normal AM would, the adren would come in at 2x for given damage) would be the way to go.  

I know tonight I was running out of adren way too fast, particularly in mixed waves where the rod would get over-saturated with titans, queens, etc, but the beam/bolt could not kill enough of the skarj, etc. And this is without Energy Shield of any level. 

On the flip side, respawning without weapons, particularly at later waves is a killer. 

Also, I would say we need ghost 3, because ghosting and coming back with only 100 health leaves the AM very vulnerable. 

Elite wrote:

on the extreme monster master the pets are getting 300% damage increase due to the advanced damage bonus for pet. There are currently 20 levels, i think it should be reduced to 10, and if that is still too strong then perhaps 5, but 10 should be good for now. 

I would change it to 5% per level, this way there are points to be spent. 

I have noticed some people are playing the Extreme AM character, but are not purchasing Loaded Artifacts 5 - which gives the more-adrenaline-damage-but-less-weapon-damage. Instead they are using it as a way to get a weapon based character with Surge 3. It means I will have to put extra effort into adding a completely new Loaded Artifacts ability for the Extreme AM to purchase - so that will delay some of the bug fixes a bit as exploit fixes come first.

I also believe we need extra artifacts for the Extreme AM to use, to give it better adrenaline based attacks. Suggestions welcome. The vortex has been suggested, but since the problems with the repulsion artifact, I am reluctant to do anything that involves moving monsters.

I was thinking about a different type of attack - one that spreads from the monster you hit to any adjacent monsters.

So for instance you could have a plague blast - a beam of say 10 degrees wide expanding out in front of the AM. Any monsters caught in it catch the plague - similar to poison, but contagious. Each tick until it terminates, any close monster will also catch the plague - and so on. Each step of the plague would reduce the "closeness" distance by which it will transfer.

Another variant might just be the antimatter blast. Similar principle, but the affected monster just explodes. Again it spreads to adjacent monsters, and they explode. Would be expensive to fire, with a timer. But on the right map could be fun.

Of course only available to LA5.