Concerns on engineer balance

Well, as long as we're all making suggestions. I'd like it if I didn't see the sentinals "health" bar. I find myself running to kill something only to find it's just some engineers junk pile

Moof wrote:

Strangely enough, I'm reminded of the F-Zero cars.

Junkies are the pink car and Engineers will probably end up being the yellow car.

If you don't get the reference, get off my lawn!

Hey, moof, I'm on your lawn... come and get me.

FodderFigure wrote:

Moof wrote:

Strangely enough, I'm reminded of the F-Zero cars.

Junkies are the pink car and Engineers will probably end up being the yellow car.

If you don't get the reference, get off my lawn!

Hey, moof, I'm on your lawn... come and get me.

THAT'S GOOD FODDER

Wonko The Sane wrote:

Some said that light sentinel is too powerfull. I'd have to disagree. It dies very quickly and makes tiny damage. I had a normal and light sentinel next to each other and the normal made at least 4-times more kills than the light (F3). So if there is a sentinel too powerfull, its the normal one (esp. in tight maps).

Whenever I have tried running both together, the lightning comes out usually above the normal sentinel. However, it does depend on how many monsters the lightning can hit at one go. In a restricted space, where only one monster comes at once, the normal one may be better.

The Lightning sentinel does distract monsters more than the normal sentinel though, and is cheaper to buy, so ought to be less powerful (IMHO).

well location also has to be taken into hand...as in i knwo for me at least ill try to put the lightning sentenal where its fairly high and open so that i can hti many sutff at once...the other senteanl being more effecive on clsoer quarter i use for door ways, narrow passage and small rooms so that ti gets the rapid fire on the one baddy ....while the lightning gets manyb hit at once so i can finish them.../ help finsish them..(my own L.sents steal my kills..:S.)

then again there is always plan b which is ...put both in the same spot so that one can cover for the the toher...lightning weakens..and distract...floor cleans up and goes for the kill.......you know i just released i have way to much time on m hands..if i ahd my own computer lol...well...thatd be scary..

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on another note...this post ..is rlly long....wonko started a trend..lol..

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i was goin to suggest you take down the damage on the L.Sents but im guessing Slzat already did it koolness..

I don't know, I tried it again today, planted normal and light sentinel next to each other in 3 different maps... I always got at least 4 times the kill on the normal one. Kept them both alive through the game (except for the titan waves)
Maybe I have a really cool normal sentinel :]

As the overpowered goes, today I played 3 games (engineer lvl 25) and got:
- score around 600 but joined wave 8
- score a bit more than 1000
- score 1567 -> thats a score that I'm pleased with even when I play my 130lvl WM.

And we only finished the first game.

Since the normal sentinel costs more than the lightning sentinel, it is ok if it does more damage. Just not the other way round.
Remember the Lightning Sentinel has other advantages like distracting monsters.

It would be useful to get a breakdown (F3) of the results you are getting. People like Fro and 320 can come on at low level and get very good scores, because they are very skilled. You could be the same, in which case that is fine. However, if most of the 1567 score came from two sentinels, and so is largely independent of skill, I would probably think they are a bit too powerful. 1000 should be a good score for a level 25 player, not average.

This is new to DC, and we will find at different times of the day, different results will occur. For example, sentinels will probably do very well when there is only the engineer and 3 bots on. But play with 15 other players, 30% of whom are engineers, and the score will be less. And the size and type of map will make a big difference. So, some balancing will be required.

For example, last time I played was on BridgeofFate I think. I had a normal sentinel and lightning sentinel all game (except some of wave 14), in the hall near the mini/shield. I have damage bonus 50, and I got 16 kills from the lightning and 9 kills from the normal sentinel. In 16 waves. That is not overpowered.

:] I am flattered, but my skill is mediocre. (I've seen 320 play and thats insane, never seen fro though, but judging from the record thread he must be insane too) I get just above 2000 score with my 130 WM only here and there.

I'll post the F3 here if I get more high scores with the engineer.

But in a way it is not just the high scores, it is the balance. If only one in 50 scores is exceptional, and the rest are average, then we are in a different situation to all scores being too high. But I don't want all scores posting - too much data.

I suppose it is just a general comparison - the ratio of sentinel kills to non-sentinel kills. If you generally get 90% of your kills from sentinels they are probably overpowered. If only 10% then underpowered. What the balance is I don't know, but it will change from map to map, and between different Engineer playing styles.

I do not want an Engineer to be able to hide behind a block just charging a sentinel, and still get a 600+ score.

Honestly--barricading yourself and healing your turrets does not take any skill---it is more of a strategy, a style of play. Personally, I think the Medic/Monster class is the most difficult/skilled class. Also, the Adren Masters really enhance play and help fellow players increase their firepower. Medics and Adren Masters are fantastic enhancements to RPG Invasion.

yes!! medic is rlly hard (now with null lords ooh man) i got my first 1k score on my now llv 32 engineer..and my lvlv 53 medic still struggles to get 600 o.0...
i guess mostly cus i dont have enough invested in my pets yet but seeing youve got limited fire power medic and engineers are both the onyl classes wiht out the resupply so have to be cautious of ammo spent but yes medic is a great class..

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ps wat i find is with low wep speed my senetanals finish the job for me too much..

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Wonko The Sane
Post 06/19/2007 02:08:01 Subject: Re:Concerns on engineer balance
I don't know, I tried it again today, planted normal and light sentinel next to each other in 3 different maps... I always got at least 4 times the kill on the normal one. Kept them both alive through the game (except for the titan waves)
Maybe I have a really cool normal sentinel :]

As the overpowered goes, today I played 3 games (engineer lvl 25) and got:
- score around 600 but joined wave 8
- score a bit more than 1000
- score 1567 -> thats a score that I'm pleased with even when I play my 130lvl WM.

And we only finished the first game.

I was on several of those maps with you. Just my opinion, but the class lends itself to team play in a way that the others do not. Good team play leads to living longer.

As for having a good score, what made anyone think that a class with a couple 0f auto targeting and firing weapons wouldn't have a decent score?

agreed ..the high score isnt possible unless the other payer help each other like link turrents healing and boost each other..heallin the very same high scoring sentenals ..WM, AM and even MM help heeal them too with inf links...while ..if points are suffice engineeers will spawn vehicles and turrents fro other players.

thsi si based of of wat i have seen and do at times....and if im not doin that or killing stuff...im fleeing for my lil life looking for health/medics../ enginneers to heal and to be healed (shield)......

nwo that thats een said time for some UT..

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Isn't building and "healing" objects more like StarCraft?