DC Records: v2.2 and *High Score Table*

I think the proof that the need for a separate category exists solely in the fact that a medic has never made the top ten before, considering how skilled some of the medic players are.

Perhaps the category could be turret/vehicle related( it seems to be a seperate contest anyway), just a thought.

I know for sure that my high score was an individual effort as I spawned with a P6 flak, and if you check the screenies I dont think there is a medic playing........

Or maybe just seperate tables for each class............like you dont have enough to do echo!!! LOL

I do think that separate tables would be neat, as it is not exactly fair for medics and engineers to compete with more combat oriented characters.

I can help in doing so. I can make and regulary update engineer and medic high score table and some medic and engineer specific records. Some were allredy suggested (like most sentinel kills, turret records divided by type etc.)

So if you need a hand let me know.

hmm..Hows about one collective board and then separate board..
ie: players still of all classes compete..as it is now..but also compete among their classes...
?

Micron(Micron) wrote:

I think the proof that the need for a separate category exists solely in the fact that a medic has never made the top ten before, considering how skilled some of the medic players are.

Perhaps the category could be turret/vehicle related( it seems to be a seperate contest anyway), just a thought.

I know for sure that my high score was an individual effort as I spawned with a P6 flak, and if you check the screenies I dont think there is a medic playing........

A medic has made the high score list, but it was under very similar circumstances. we do need a different yard stick to measure effectiveness.

Using link on small map with everyone who was playing linking them.

Personally I look at the experience gained when I am playing my medic for a gage of how well I did and as far as that goes, there have been games that I know I made as much as some of the people that have a score on the top ten.

Fact is I have been on a number of times when a score was broke, and know that I contributed, if only a little bit. sometimes more than others.

ECHO wrote:

So how would you prove that you completed a map alone, without healing or weapon maxes?

Very nice score and great teamwork.

I think a better question would be "how would you prove non-engineer assisted" scores. We have always considered the current high scores to be aided by weapon maxing and medical assistance.

I also agree, in principal, with Micron and Blade that perhaps there should be another high score catagory for scores like this. Otherwise, it would cheapen the efforts of the single player who used the "normal" means of scoring.

(DC)DEMONSLAYER wrote:

I think a better question would be "how would you prove non-engineer assisted" scores. We have always considered the current high scores to be aided by weapon maxing and medical assistance.

Play with only bots....? Thats about the only way you could..

So, if I'm reading the responses correctly, the deciding factor will be based on class. Adrenaline masters and weapons masters submit scores to the existing table, while medics and engineers submit to the new score table.

If this is what everyone is agreeing to, I can start a new table in the second post of the thread.

ECHO wrote:

So, if I'm reading the responses correctly, the deciding factor will be based on class. Adrenaline masters and weapons masters submit scores to the existing table, while medics and engineers submit to the new score table.

If this is what everyone is agreeing to, I can start a new table in the second post of the thread.

Not exactly, Echo. What we are saying is if a player's high score(s) are based on engineer spawned weapons, yes it should be on the new table(regardless of the player's class). If the high score(s) are based on the traditional UT2004 weapons (regular or magic), no.

If the high score is based on the usage of the standard weapons (regular or magic) available to all players via abilities, pickup, or modified by the MWM, the score should be posted on the old score table. This will allow all classes to post on the old table.

For example, I score 3500+ points during a map, using my regular weapons loaded for me from my level 5 WM and never use a engineer spawned weapon (ball turrent/etc), it would go on the old score table.

Now, if I score 3500+ using strictly the ball turrent/etc, it would go on the new table. The problem would be the mixture of the two......where would you draw the line?

We can use Fro, Bot, and you as examples, all have scored high with both WM and medic classes and rightfully have posted your high scores on the old table.

If the 3 of you were to get into a ball turrent and rip all of the old scores to shreds, ...............See where I'm going?

As to posting the high scores for each class along with a composite high score list, who would have the time considering the number of players and the 4 classes. It would be nice, but.............

If you do a new table it should be easy to distinguish what belongs where. I would have some problems with Deamon's suggestion:

- a WM scores 3000 by getting linked by others. (This could be either most of the game or titan waves only, linked by engineers or non engineers) Which table?
- a WM scores 3000 mainly on his own, but has some turret kills (some can be 10 or 150) Which table?
- an engineer scores 3000 with no turret or vehicle kills. Which table? (are you ditching engineers from the present table altogether?)
- a WM scores 3000 in a turret, but noone linked him once. Which table?

Here is my suggestion. The scoreboard is based on trust allredy (cmon, it would took 3 minutes to fake a record in PS) and with the kind of people on DC you can easily afford that trust. So, make another table (wtih 3 to 5 places max) called teamplay table with a description: highest score with apparent help of others, based mainly on other players linking you. You let the players decide which scoreboard are they applying to. While the owner of the teamplay record is the highscorer, I'd mention the players that helped him in small font too. Basically you are rellying on common sense of a player to apply for the right record, but I believe that it would work on this server.

I personaly have no problems comparing scores based on teamwork to scores based on idividual skill. And IMO Invasion is based on teamwork to begin with. People showed that it is possible to get over 3000 with insane amount of skill. It has been a pleasure to spectate those players, see their tricks. I've learnt a lot by watching alone. By teamplay, you are just saying look, here is a different approach that can make you score awesome too. It is not a high skill table, but a high score one. Most of us know who the high skilled players are, table or no table.

completely in awe of that score

(insert camping remark here...no just kidding thats awesome teamwork)

Wonko The Sane wrote:

- a WM scores 3000 by getting linked by others. (This could be either most of the game or titan waves only, linked by engineers or non engineers) Which table?

Old table

- a WM scores 3000 mainly on his own, but has some turret kills (some can be 10 or 150) Which table?

Old table

- an engineer scores 3000 with no turret or vehicle kills. Which table? (are you ditching engineers from the present table altogether?)

Old table

- a WM scores 3000 in a turret, but noone linked him once. Which table?

New table

Wonko, I think we are actually saying the same thing. I took your questions and put my interpretations on them by using "old" or "new."

Roadkill, good score

oops that post was in wrong area

doh! edited score out sorry all

Wonko The Sane wrote:

Here is my suggestion. The scoreboard is based on trust allredy (cmon, it would took 3 minutes to fake a record in PS) and with the kind of people on DC you can easily afford that trust. So, make another table (wtih 3 to 5 places max) called teamplay table with a description: highest score with apparent help of others, based mainly on other players linking you. You let the players decide which scoreboard are they applying to. While the owner of the teamplay record is the highscorer, I'd mention the players that helped him in small font too. Basically you are rellying on common sense of a player to apply for the right record, but I believe that it would work on this server.

Although DC players have proven to be trustworthy for the most part, this does not speak for future players. This is a problem. If players are allowed to choose which table they apply to, it's probable they will apply for the existing table versus the new one. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a team table if team scores can be placed on the regular table. I mean, if I was among the many contributing to the score, I would be a little ticked off that I was booted from the record. It seems to me that the correlation between solo and team work is a bit blurred based on reading the responses here. Whatever rules that will be enforced need to be black and white.

(DC)DEMONSLAYER wrote:

....If the high score is based on the usage of the standard weapons (regular or magic) available to all players via abilities, pickup, or modified by the MWM, the score should be posted on the old score table. This will allow all classes to post on the old table.

Where does this leave AMs? If the old score table can only use standard weapons available to all, then this means if the AM uses the bolt or beam, then his score goes on the new table. What if he uses a vorpal +22 - I presume that is ok because the weapon is available to all even if the magic isn't. And does "available to all" mean available on that map?

Since using sentinels puts the score into the new table, does using pets also put the score in the new table?

And I think there is still the confusion as to "how much did other people help me - is this a personal score or a team score?" question. No-one gets a score that has no help from other people, unless there is only one player on. It can be minimised, but never eliminated.

I think once you try to categorise and restrict it, you get into a minefield of issues. I think just leave as one table. It is after all a high score.