Sentinals and teamwork

I'd love to see more teamwork to win matches instead of people just going all selfish for as many waves as they can live.
Maybe if there were more xp for winning or something. I dunno... maybe it's just the way some of the stuff is set right now.

for example...
Now that I found out I can make 3 defensive sents, I love doing it, but the xp hugely suffers and I can't even get enough adren flow to use my shield blast to protect people. typically i do this trying to help a lower lever and well.... it just doesn't pay.

Maybe if an engineer has defensive sents only, they can give adren or maybe Engineer's can get adren drip 1 ?
dunno... Just gets really old when everyone is throwing light sents only and then a titan wave comes or harder waves come and when you ask them to make def sents, you get a response like "I need xp, not def"
(actual quote)

Acyd wrote:

I'd love to see more teamwork to win matches instead of people just going all selfish for as many waves as they can live.
Maybe if there were more xp for winning or something. I dunno... maybe it's just the way some of the stuff is set right now.

for example...
Now that I found out I can make 3 defensive sents, I love doing it, but the xp hugely suffers and I can't even get enough adren flow to use my shield blast to protect people. typically i do this trying to help a lower lever and well.... it just doesn't pay.

Maybe if an engineer has defensive sents only, they can give adren or maybe Engineer's can get adren drip 1 ?
dunno... Just gets really old when everyone is throwing light sents only and then a titan wave comes or harder waves come and when you ask them to make def sents, you get a response like "I need xp, not def"
(actual quote)

Problem is, Acey, is that you are competing against human nature (and greed).

Well Ive seen people that are medics pet oriented and they dont heal even If you are dying, they only focus in killing mobs, So I think anyone can play the game as they want, at my point of view all the people has different types of gameplay that they enjoy to practice.

For example berserkers they make tons of exp and even they kill titans in 3 shots, they shine in titan waves and thats not team oriented they dont share exp just like the turret links.
The AM using DD with rod is almost the same or using vorpals.

I know its greed but I bet the rpg system was meant to be like that to compete for Exp. I know you can support a teammate sometimes but its a choice you make and sometimes u dont have a reward at the end but If you enjoy that I dont see any problem.

I think the score table was made for a reason, and that reason is to compete for the exp.

Thats my point of view.

Just like me with my General char I wind up spending more time healing my self and others and not getting xp for it than out killing critters and getting xp! But! it is the team effort and winning the map that I'm usually about with my General or medic

I don't see it much fun for those hunter/killer types sitting at a base with everyone else when the monsters are all over the map. Ya, I could live longer, but I would get a lot less XP (like I need it) competing for kills with 10 other people in a group.

The base concept is good for a semi-safe haven for the injured to come and get healed. Defensive and offensive engineer goodies present always help. Just being in a place long enough lures the baddies over, but not all of them.

The characters I play match my fighting style...hunt them down, in your face, kill as fast as possible. If I have a healing weapon, I will heal who I find with it when I can. I don't get XP for it, but I know it helps.

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Ryuxen wrote:

Well Ive seen people that are medics pet oriented and they dont heal even If you are dying, they only focus in killing mobs, So I think anyone can play the game as they want, at my point of view all the people has different types of gameplay that they enjoy to practice.

For example berserkers they make tons of exp and even they kill titans in 3 shots, they shine in titan waves and thats not team oriented they dont share exp just like the turret links.
The AM using DD with rod is almost the same or using vorpals.

I know its greed but I bet the rpg system was meant to be like that to compete for Exp. I know you can support a teammate sometimes but its a choice you make and sometimes u dont have a reward at the end but If you enjoy that I dont see any problem.

I think the score table was made for a reason, and that reason is to compete for the exp.

Thats my point of view.

I have trouble explaining that to jefe at his server :/

a discussion we had about this was possibly having a defence sent give 1 adren every 10 or 20 shots it destroys. that way you dont get it fast but you do get some... enough to do a blast every now and again

Trooper wrote:

a discussion we had about this was possibly having a defence sent give 1 adren every 10 or 20 shots it destroys. that way you dont get it fast but you do get some... enough to do a blast every now and again

We should be able to buy an upgrade for the dfense sentinal since we already have shields we should be able to choose into buying "Shield Boost" or an "Adrenaline Shot"

If these were to appear as abilities i think it should look like this when youp ress the button "Info" ( with all the correct spelling / punctuation of course)

Shield boost gives shields to all player in range of a dfense sent , 3 shield points per shot. Each shot will give u expereince depending on how much people are being healed of their sheilds.

At level 1 people are getting healed of their shields by 3 points per shot and minimum exp is given ( 1-2 exp for every 40 shots)

At level 2 people will be healed of their shields a bit faster with 5 points per each shot and low exp is given ( 2- 4 exp for every 40 shots)

At level 3 people will be healed of their shields very fast with 10 shield points for each shot and moderate exp is given, however the shots needed to gain exp is raised ( 5 - 8 exp for every 60 shots)

You must be an Engineer to purchase this ability.

You can not have Shield Boost and Adrenaline Shot at the same time

10 , 25 , 60

Max for Engineer subclass 0---Egineer class 3

Adrenaline shot will do what trooper says : give 1 or 2 adrenaline for every 10 - 20 shots destroyed. ( i think it should be raised to 50)
it could have 2 or 3 levels.

At level 1 you will recieve 1 adrenaline per every 50 enemy projectiles shot down

At level 2 you get 2 adrenaline per every 50 enemy projectiles shot down

At level 3 the number of shots needed to gain adrenaline will be decreased by 5% you will also recioeved 3 adrenaline per every 45 enemy projectiles shot down.

You must be an Engineer to purchase this ability

You can not have Shield Boost and Adrenaline shot at the same time.

10, 25 , 60

Max for enginner subclass : 1-- Engineer Class 3

Defense sentinels do give a certain amount of xp per projectile they shoot down. Not much, but some.

And certain subclasses can buy upgrades for defense sentinels which will heal shields/adrenaline/armor/health/ammo. And most of those grant some xp, not much but some.

nodnod Szlat.

Those are changes that were implemented after this original post =)

And it helps... just would be nice to be able to go "full defense" (as I call it) and get a bit more reasonable xp for it. but now that they can also do the shield healing and armor healing (well... as sent spec) its better.

More so, the original comment was directed at those sent specs that come in mid-map or later waves in the map and never throw a defense sent up one. It's always the lightning sents and the team suffers because there's no defense. But as someone said (Road I think)... you just can't code against human nature I guess.

while I agree that there are defence sents to give those things, generic engi cant get them. none of the subclasses (not hybrids) for engi fit my play style so I use generic engi. because of that I cant have the sents heal shields, so I have to blast or alt link them. a TINY amount of adren for removing the projectiles would be nice so I could do blasts

I agree. That's the other big drawback. If you have all defense sents up and are linking, you got no way to cover the team as far as shielding because there's no adrenaline being made.

Acyd wrote:

I agree. That's the other big drawback. If you have all defense sents up and are linking, you got no way to cover the team as far as shielding because there's no adrenaline being made.

Yup. Sometimes you just have to go and kill something

Szlat wrote:

Acyd wrote:

I agree. That's the other big drawback. If you have all defense sents up and are linking, you got no way to cover the team as far as shielding because there's no adrenaline being made.
Yup. Sometimes you just have to go and kill something

OH MY WORD!!! KILL something!!! The pacifists would scream bloody murder about that!

Doc: "I'm a pacifist..."
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