Drop Adrenaline: Abused or not?

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Szlat wrote:

Grizzled_Imposter wrote:

That said, I would say that I am not the only one using a lot of berserk. I have seen a few people be able to keep it running continuously every wave after wave 6, because now you have the ability to toss your adren, and stop the combo between waves and pick your adren back up when the combo is over, if there is any exploit going on here, that is it.
I agree, to me that seems like an exploit as well. The idea of letting people drop adrenaline was so they could throw it to someone else for the good of all - for a medic or shield blast, or a globe, or even just to give an AM enough adrenaline to max that +1 piercing so it could be shared.

However, there is part of me that thinks it should be possible to switch off combos. So until a decision is made as to the validity of that, I will refrain from nerfing the drop adrenaline. (Any comments in a separate thread please!)

And here we are...
Well personally I dont see it as an abuse..cus along with toss players adren on leaving game or to AM's Medic etc I think its needed for stopping combos..(wait what ) ?
Meaning Its helpful should one accidentally be dodging and end up hearing that echoing "Invisible!" or "Speed!"....cus then u dump and can possibly pick up ur adren losing only 25 or 50 in the long run

When it come to things like tossing after berzerking I dont think this is an abuse either..cus well you toss ur adren so u dont use it up pointlessly..but it doesnt mean ur the one who will get it ( you have to wait till it runs down to 0 from 25 adren ) In that time ppl can come by and snatch up the adren cus its there for the taking
In the end you still lose some of the adren

Anyone thinks adren toss is abused?...

I don't toss adren at all 'cause I use it all for berserk and MWM upgrades. When I see a player dumping adren, I just leave it alone since I figure it's for someone else or the player is leaving and another player probably needs it more than I do.

I've not noticed someone dumping adren just to stop the clock (usage), but then, I don't have time to watch. If dumping and picking up just to stop the clock is an issue, then perhaps the admins need to step in since that type of action could be considered "cheating".

However, I do agree that we do need something to stop the berserk mode when the wave has ended and not have the mode running thru the 10 seconds or so for the next wave.

I thought that invisible, speed, triple damage, etc could be stopped by re-keying the combo again!!!!

They can?.......oops...never knew that..b4 adren toss..Id just wait ti out...or use a healing blast b4 it ran out (make use of it)

Well....uuh....then scratch that form the list..

.....wait...Triple is artifact.....speed and inv are combos..i kwno u can rekey to stop triple..but....not the combos....

...Can I hear a 2nd opinion?..

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Also I use it sometimes if an AM needs adren and Im filled and not using it...

-Jason_x- wrote:

In reply to :

Szlat wrote:

Grizzled_Imposter wrote:

That said, I would say that I am not the only one using a lot of berserk. I have seen a few people be able to keep it running continuously every wave after wave 6, because now you have the ability to toss your adren, and stop the combo between waves and pick your adren back up when the combo is over, if there is any exploit going on here, that is it.
I agree, to me that seems like an exploit as well. The idea of letting people drop adrenaline was so they could throw it to someone else for the good of all - for a medic or shield blast, or a globe, or even just to give an AM enough adrenaline to max that +1 piercing so it could be shared.

However, there is part of me that thinks it should be possible to switch off combos. So until a decision is made as to the validity of that, I will refrain from nerfing the drop adrenaline. (Any comments in a separate thread please!)

And here we are...
Well personally I dont see it as an abuse..cus along with toss players adren on leaving game or to AM's Medic etc I think its needed for stopping combos..(wait what ) ?
Meaning Its helpful should one accidentally be dodging and end up hearing that echoing "Invisible!" or "Speed!"....cus then u dump and can possibly pick up ur adren losing only 25 or 50 in the long run

When it come to things like tossing after berzerking I dont think this is an abuse either..cus well you toss ur adren so u dont use it up pointlessly..but it doesnt mean ur the one who will get it ( you have to wait till it runs down to 0 from 25 adren ) In that time ppl can come by and snatch up the adren cus its there for the taking
In the end you still lose some of the adren

Anyone thinks adren toss is abused?...

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I have truncated these definitions but essentially, if the person who programmed the ability to drop adrenaline did not intend for it to be used in this way, then it could be viewed as an exploit.

I did not think that this was the case originally, but that seems to be the case.

So the question could be can something be un-exploited..meaning..its intended use expanded?..o.0?...

I don't see why accidentally enabling Invisibility or Berserk, or any combo, can be considered a balancing factor. Just because the stock game didn't include the option of ending your combos doesn't mean it's an exploit to do so.

The answer is simple. The code was changed to drop adren not turn adren on and off.

If people are dropping adren to stop a combo and pick it up again, as if as it it was turned off, it seems like an exploit to me.

sorry to all the drop adren supporters.

I actually tried this technique last night to see if/how it worked as for berserk its not worth the effort you end up losing adren
and its 25 (pill) at a time that you lose so your wasting anyway unless you time it perfectly .

as for speed,invis combo I can understand wanting to stop those if unwanted the game won't let you 'one key key-bind' them so its not like your one-keying them away you take the risk of losing some adren along the way
having max adren for my medic I would hate to accidentally go Invis at max adren and not be able to get rid of/stop it but I've never done it accidentally.though I can see how it could be an exploit but not a particularily useful one IMHO

Well...Hmm...actually there IS a way to stop combos other than drop adren and not lose any more....
Its called: Get in vehicle or torrent..It stops all combos..( I realise this cus As engi i use regen combo alot..but have to wait outside turret for it to work.)

I think combos should also be stop cus come on...if a player has 250 adren...starts combo....it gonna be running for loooong....especially if the player is an AM cus then they cant use some fo their artifacts without maxed adren

So by definition ...This is an exploit as it wasnt its orginal intention (though it can be extended to be depending on the total view)..but....is stopping adren combos good or bad?..Cus every player can do it...Thoughts?...

Well...heres the Final word it would seem:

TheDruidXpawX wrote:

It's just plumb necessary. If a combo is running, you shouldn't be able to stop it by throwing all your adrenaline.

So thus the answer is: Yes it is an exploit

Makes me glad Monster Mash runs an extension so you can disable certain combos.

Wail wrote:

Makes me glad Monster Mash runs an extension so you can disable certain combos.

What's monster mash? Is it a dance?

He did the mash
He did the monster mash
The monster mash
It was a graveyard smash
He did the mash
It caught on in a flash
He did the mash
He did the monster mash

I used to suicide to stop my adrenaline flow, is that an exploit too? If you take away my adrenaline throw you'll cause me to suicide again... you can't condone suicide can you?

FodderFigure wrote:

Wail wrote:

Makes me glad Monster Mash runs an extension so you can disable certain combos.

What's monster mash? Is it a dance?

He did the mash
He did the monster mash
The monster mash
It was a graveyard smash
He did the mash
It caught on in a flash
He did the mash
He did the monster mash

I used to suicide to stop my adrenaline flow, is that an exploit too? If you take away my adrenaline throw you'll cause me to suicide again... you can't condone suicide can you?

That was nice..

..Does sound like dance though..

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..Hmmm...suiciding (ghosting) to stop ur adren flow..never thought of that..

(if you DIE die you lose it )..Well..the purpose of suicide is.....is........um.......uh.....Die?...o.0......

Doesn't jumping inside a turret or vehicle stop a combo?

Yip..said that too..

.....It seems just cus its just too easy to end the combo that its an exploit..?..I dunno...:/..