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The Shield Gun being tossed...

KohanX — GMT

Is there any specific reason that we have not made a 'toss your Shield Gun' mutator, or do we just have no problem with it? I think it would be nice to be able to toss your Shield Gun of Knockback +6 if you think your hands are not safe enough for it. I do that sometimes; "Anyone want an Infinite Mini? I'll probably die before I can use it effectively.". That sort of thing. I just find not being able to toss the Shield Gun a bit... dumb... You can toss any other weapon, so why not that one? I'd very happily make a mutator for it (shouldn't take more than an hour, and that's stretching it). I just want to be sure we approve. Post your thoughts :).

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Icey — GMT

The only possible reason I could really see it being impossible to drop a shield gun is because it's the only weapon who's attack cannot run out of ammunition, even if using it as a shield does drain energy. I suppose because it's used as a last ditch weapon if you ever run out of ammunition on the regular game. I'm not saying it'd be impossible to code in a way to toss the shield gun, I've wanted to in the past when I'd get a Shield Rage 10 or Vorpal 10, since other people would benefit from it more (Medics tend to not use Shield guns). Those are my two cents.

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KohanX — GMT

If I had a dollar for every two cents given in this forum, I'd be 50 times richer than everyone else. But thanks. Anyone else?

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supertoast — GMT

I'd be overjoyed at the ability to drop and pick up shield guns. On my LA charactor I often get surprisingly good shield guns but can't use them because I die to easily; with my medic though I just love running around with a shield gun killing things. I'm all for something like this.

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KohanX — GMT

Alright, we've got a minority! If any of the well-renowned dudes on here wouldgive a shout, it would be most welcome! That means Bot, 320, Continuum, Druid, Shan, and v0rTeX, off the top of my head.

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Continuum — GMT

Never really thought much of dropping it, I guess in some situations it would be nice. I think bCanThrow was left false by epic since its a weapon of last resort type of thing and no levels have the pickup for shieldguns.

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KohanX — GMT

Yes. But, alas, sometimes the original creators of a product are dumb in some instances. That's what they invented mutators for.

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Shantara — GMT

KohanX wrote:

Yes. But, alas, sometimes the original creators of a product are dumb in some instances. That's what they invented mutators for.

So you're saying the individuals who spent years of their lives creating all the different aspects of this video game that we all adore are dumb? Give them the credit they deserve.

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KohanX — GMT

Did I say that?

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Continuum — GMT

In the default gametypes that epic included with the game there would be no reason to be able to drop the shieldgun... everyone starts with one, ammo doesnt run out, and you can only use one at a time. RPG is the only game type Ive come across where dropping the shieldgun would have benifit, so I'd say epic actually thought it through for what gametypes that dropping it would be disabled.. They also have to take into consideration the accidental dropping of shieldgun by inexperienced players (or dropping wrong weapon) if you are running around out of ammo or with no weapon the game isnt much fun. Also if you can drop every weapon then they have to go through the process of drawing fists ect which for the number of different characters that shipped with the game simply would not happen, even making a set of hands for each species would take quite a bit of work (you may as well make each species have a different weapon set also). Anyways like you said mutators are there if you need something tweaked or changed. :)

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KohanX — GMT

Hmm, true that. But I defend myself by saying that inexperienced players simply learn. And after the first couple accidental tosses of the Shield Gun, I'm sure they'd figure it out. But whatever. Should I post the mutator here or e-mail it to someone?

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FodderFigure — GMT

I hope I'm well-renowned enough to respond, here's my 2 cents. For the most part I agree with Continuum, if he's saying keep the shield gun the way it is.

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KohanX — GMT

Yeah yeah, of course. Might you explain your reasoning? Not to be intimidating (or whatever else that might be interpreted as),but I just want to know where you're coming from. Bleh,I always get you and BotFodder mixed up. Your names are similar.

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BotFodder — GMT

KohanX wrote:

Bot, 320, Continuum, Druid, Shan, and v0rTeX, off the top of my head.

Um. Wow. Honor to be lumped in with them I guess. The SG is the Noobs last ditch weapon (unless you count the trans as a weapon). Don't think it should be droppable ... also, the lack of a spawn point for them ... Can't think of a reason *why* you'd want to ditch it all that much. As a WM, I throw my GL, BR, and RL mainly because they reside in slots with other weapons that I prefer, not so much because it reduces the weapons in scrolling. Now I can think of reasons why you'd want to *share* it, or have an AM max it, but then we get back to the "no spawn point" issue, and I don't find it all that annoying to keep.

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FodderFigure — GMT

KohanX wrote:

Yeah yeah, of course. Might you explain your reasoning? Not to be intimidating (or whatever else that might be interpreted as),but I just want to know where you're coming from.

On second thought, if it is droppable then it would be OK with me. I need it as a medic just to keep me alive until I find weapons, so it is needed upon spawn.

Bleh,I always get you and BotFodder mixed up. Your names are similar.

On forums BotFodder- Long winded, very detailed Me - prefer short and to the point BotFodder- Likes a lot of numbers Me - Likes numbers but short and simple BotFodder- Honored Me - Not so much In game BotFodder- Floats Me - Uses legs like a moron BotFodder- White coat Me - Black coat Real life BotFodder- Young Me - Old BotFodder- Brain growing Me - Brain stubbornly stays the same

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BotFodder — GMT

FodderFigure wrote:

In game BotFodder- Floats Me - Uses legs like a moron

"It's the chair, right? Chicks dig the chair."

FodderFigure wrote:

Real life BotFodder- Young Me - Old

This one, I might debate - it's relative. I'm 25 days from 36; and we have active players who are still in high school. On the other hand, we apparently have players over 50 ...

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TheDruidXpawX — GMT

Shield guns aren't droppable, and I dont think they have a pickup class. I suppose I could fix this, but I keep asking myself... why?

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Icey — GMT

Because it makes us non-shield gun users feel better about ourselves? I often find myself spawning with Vamp, Vorpal, or Rage shield guns, and sometimes even ask anyone if they want it before I realize that 'You idiot, the shield gun can't be dropped!' It'd just be a minor convenience that would make those shield gun users get even more... kills..... So, how about that non-droppable shield gun? :wink:

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KZXten — GMT

I cannot speak for Vortex but since he's stepped back from running the server and it's mine...my vote is no. I haven't heard any requests for dropping the shield but then again maybe most haven't thought of it! Of course your most welcome to post on our forum and ask if any might think it useful. I'm all for the player, if the majority thinks it would be a good thing AND they'd use it, I can't think of any good reason not to put it on even though I didn't necessarily like it, I'd add it on. KZXten's Frag Fest: forums

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v0rTeX — GMT

I can't say I've ever really cared about tossing the shield. Sure its possible that with 'Magical Starting Weapons' enabled you could end up with a bad shield gun, but that's kind of a low priority reason to ditch it. And I've never understood why go through the trouble of making a good magic weapon out of a shield gun when you could have made the other guns magic. So I don't care either way whether or not it becomes tossable or not. If someone codes up the appropriate skill/mutator I still won't be tossing shield guns.

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KohanX — GMT

That settles it, then. I'll probably make a mutator for it, wouhou! :D Off topic, I watched the first three seasons of Red Vs Blue, and even downloaded their UT2004 skins. They are actually done quite well, and I urge you all to download the Master Chief Halo 2 skin pack (google with some of those terms) so that you can see me as Church :D.

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TheDruidXpawX — GMT

v0rTeX wrote:

I can't say I've ever really cared about tossing the shield. Sure its possible that with 'Magical Starting Weapons' enabled you could end up with a bad shield gun, but that's kind of a low priority reason to ditch it. And I've never understood why go through the trouble of making a good magic weapon out of a shield gun when you could have made the other guns magic. So I don't care either way whether or not it becomes tossable or not. If someone codes up the appropriate skill/mutator I still won't be tossing shield guns.

On our server shield guns do a PILE more damage than they do regularly. On the other hand, I'm not sure that I want them droppable for that very reason.

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KohanX — GMT

Why do they do more damage? Aren't they already that 'overpowered melee weapon'?

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TheDruidXpawX — GMT

KohanX wrote:

Why do they do more damage? Aren't they already that 'overpowered melee weapon'?

Cos they were totally worthless until I increased the damage.

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KohanX — GMT

Ah... okay... So, is that a thread killer?

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TheDruidXpawX — GMT

KohanX wrote:

Ah... okay... So, is that a thread killer?

Which part? The part where I said I cant see why I should care, or the part where I said I'm not sure I want them droppable? I wrote that question thinking it was for real, but in hindsight it may be more rhetorical..

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KohanX — GMT

Where you said you didn't want it on the server O.o. Well, more of an ambition killer than a thread killer, but whatever. No mutator then :).

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v0rTeX — GMT

TheDruidXpawX wrote:

v0rTeX wrote:

I can't say I've ever really cared about tossing the shield. Sure its possible that with 'Magical Starting Weapons' enabled you could end up with a bad shield gun, but that's kind of a low priority reason to ditch it. And I've never understood why go through the trouble of making a good magic weapon out of a shield gun when you could have made the other guns magic. So I don't care either way whether or not it becomes tossable or not. If someone codes up the appropriate skill/mutator I still won't be tossing shield guns.
On our server shield guns do a PILE more damage than they do regularly. On the other hand, I'm not sure that I want them droppable for that very reason.

Amping up the damage is probably fair enough considering the shield gun was designed with a 100 health player in mind and monsters tend to have much more than 100 health usually. I mean you still have to get in the monsters face to use it properly. I would agree with you. If you are amping them up a bunch, you won't want people making vorpal +10's and handing them out to everyone.

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KZXten — GMT

You have to agree though that a Vorpal Shield is purdy cool when it 'pops' after you run into a monster!!! actually a propulsion shield gun is pretty funny to use, you run into a monster and it's throw to the wall...too bad they can't splat! Alot of fun can be had with the shield gun, too bad you didn't have a mutator that only allowed certain weapons on certain waves...now that could be amuzing. Have a metal skaarj wave with nothing but a shield gun...RUN FOREST RUN!!! or a titan wave with a goop gun!

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KohanX — GMT

Hmm, your 'if only they went splat' gets me thinking: if gravity damages you, why doesn't excessive velocity in other directions damage you? Hmm... :?

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Jschill — GMT

The only time i would acccualy need to throw a sheild gun would be (since i have denile 3) every time i die i get 1 more sheild gun so if i die 3 times the game i have 3 shields guns at the end dont bother me much tho.

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BotFodder — GMT

I've got a patch up somewhere for Dru to look at and test that fixes that.

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320 — GMT

What amount of dmg does the shield gun do currently? I always thought a fully charged shot did 150 ignoring DB and DR.

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Icey — GMT

320 wrote:

What amount of dmg does the shield gun do currently? I always thought a fully charged shot did 150 ignoring DB and DR.

Does that mean that if you fully charge a shield gun and hit a monster with it, it will deal out 150 damage regardless of your Damage Bonus, and regardless of the monster's Damage Reduction? Sorry to be confused about something that should probably seem so simply to me, just trying to clarify whether or not I need to start using a different gun with my medic. :)

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320 — GMT

Icey wrote:

320 wrote:

What amount of dmg does the shield gun do currently? I always thought a fully charged shot did 150 ignoring DB and DR.
Does that mean that if you fully charge a shield gun and hit a monster with it, it will deal out 150 damage regardless of your Damage Bonus, and regardless of the monster's Damage Reduction? Sorry to be confused about something that should probably seem so simply to me, just trying to clarify whether or not I need to start using a different gun with my medic. :)

I needlessly complicated my question. What I meant was that I thought shield gun base dmg was 150.

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KohanX — GMT

Yeah, he meant 'before', not 'ignoring'.

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Eregos — GMT

Im all for being able to drop the shield gun (although my opinion doesnt count for much.) It would be funny to see people running around the map with no guns lol! :wink:

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Titanium.wombaT — GMT

I'm not part of the 'Lump of Mighty Ones' either but I'd like to toss my vote in for the tossable shield gun. I use it quite a bit and when PyRo spawns next to me and laughs "Tee hee, vampiric shield gun +7...ooooh and a null flak +6, guess I wont be using the shield gun"...yeah, it makes me want to cry sometimes... :cry: So yeah, if the higher powers would like to include this addition, I would say, 3 cheers for the Lump of Mighty Ones. but thats just me! =:) cheers. t.