Ya know, most of the suggestions I see are are good, both of these are cool. But when Im on the server, I see people of the level you are mentioning laying waste to the monsters until they are the last one left, and sometimes then! To point, I saw Mystic charge 4 warlords last night, on open ground, he wasent dodging, he was just firing away and walking into their rockets, his total damage with the weapon he was using was enough that his vamparism allowed him to ignore the damage. so I ask, do higher level characters need more dammage? I am all for effects that make the game cooler, or allow more versitile play. I am all for effects that offer coordination between classes and players, but do we truely need to give the most powerful people that play the ability to kill more quickly? 

I can headshot a nali at the keg from the top of a tower in face w/o zooming in about 2/3 the time. 

So your saying give them more DB then others through the whole game so they can run around and one shot kills umm i say no... 

I never knew that about piercing, it is often the first weapon jettisoned when I spawn. Good to know, I expect it to have an impact on my score! 

Thanks for the info It looks like, the best thing for the high level people to do is keep the lowest level player in the game alive! :P  

give higher players a more db bonus  

Shadow-X wrote:

give higher players a more db bonus  

Woohoo! Redundancy. You said Damage Bonus bonus. Like the people who say ATM machine. On the subject of damage and crap, I'll throw in my two cents. First of all, the Piercing RPGWeapon. It does not remove Damage Bonus. It gets the original (no DB or DR) and the modified (with DB and DR), and just chooses the higher, and then multiplies by 1+(0.02*BonusLevel). So this simply means that if Damage Reduction outweighs Damage Bonus, default to normal damage. Second, Monsters. The monster DB and DR is equal to 7*Wave+LowestPlayerLevel/4. So assuming 320 is level 150 (no idea, really) and alone on wave 16, monster damage reduction is 149, absolutely creaming his maximum of 80. This means all of 320's attacks will do 66.5% of their normal damage. If he had a +5 weapon, this would increase to 85.5%, and if he had a piercing +6, he would do 112%. Say he had a piercing weapon +0 against some random monster with 10 DR though, he would still do 135% damage, 151.2% is +6. 

First of all, the Piercing RPGWeapon. It does not remove Damage Bonus. It gets the original (no DB or DR) and the modified (with DB and DR), and just chooses the higher, and then multiplies by 1+(0.02*BonusLevel). So this simply means that if Damage Reduction outweighs Damage Bonus, default to normal damage. 

Second, Monsters. The monster DB and DR is equal to 7*Wave+LowestPlayerLevel/4. So assuming 320 is level 150 (no idea, really) and alone on wave 16, monster damage reduction is 149, absolutely creaming his maximum of 80. This means all of 320's attacks will do 66.5% of their normal damage. If he had a +5 weapon, this would increase to 85.5%, and if he had a piercing +6, he would do 112%. Say he had a piercing weapon +0 against some random monster with 10 DR though, he would still do 135% damage, 151.2% is +6. 

However, your maths looks wrong. Experience (and someone high level like 320 needs to confirm) says that once a level 150 player is on by himself, he does not do 66.5% damage. It is a lot less. In your example, if 320 is level 150, the monster dr would be 3.5*((2*16)+(150/4)) = 3.5*(32+37.5) = 243 dr. This would mean 320s attacks would do 18% of their normal damage. Again, I will edit my above post to show the corrections.  

]V0rTex, i made a little trip on your server, and i can admit, ive never seen something so much fast paced. Its very fun, but i can assure you i would have liked to get a Piercing. Your mobs have so much DR that its close to impossible to pass wave 4 as a level 15 :P (let alone trying wave 5 LOL) 

Capping the monster's to any stat caps would require a re-compile of the core RPG so it seems a shade unlikely Druid will bother. As hard as it may be at times, it's better to have them able to pass you. And with a Monster Adjust of .25 it will take a decent interval before they do.  

In your example, if 320 is level 150, the monster dr would be 3.5*((2*16)+(150/4)) = 3.5*(32+37.5) = 243 dr. 

But it does put a bit of a restriction on the gameplay - use this weapon type or die. 

Szlat wrote:

In your example, if 320 is level 150, the monster dr would be 3.5*((2*16)+(150/4)) = 3.5*(32+37.5) = 243 dr. 

Where'd the 3.5 come from? 

Szlat wrote:

But it does put a bit of a restriction on the gameplay - use this weapon type or die. 

Not necessarily. Different weapons are to be used in different situations. Force weapons are good at long range, Vampire Spread weapons are good, especially in tight maps, et cetera.  

In this post we are talking about high level players alone on wave 16.