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Who will you vote for?
Demomcratic Party- Barrack Obama/Joe Biden 38% [ 14 ]
Republican Party- John McCain/Sarah Palin 41% [ 15 ]
3rd Party/Independent- Chuck Baldwin 0% [ 0 ]
3rd Party/Independent- Bob Barr 0% [ 0 ]
3rd Party/Independent- Cynthia McKinney 0% [ 0 ]
3rd Party/Independent- Ralph Nader 0% [ 0 ]
ECHO FOR PRES! TURTLES ALL THE WAY! 14% [ 5 ]
OTHER/WRITE-IN 3% [ 1 ]
NONE OF THE ABOVE! 5% [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 37
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Greetings All!
Now that we have the official candidates set, It's time for the real thing!
Let's see who we, as the DC community, would have for our next President Of The United States Of America!

I had to start the poll over and delete the previous one, in order for those who voted in the pre-election poll, to be able to vote again.


Please remember this is for fun only and no arguing or bashing of each other will be tolerated!

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non of above

however if i had to choose i would pick road .. even i think he is canadian


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I'm torn.

I've heard some disturbing things about both of the major candidates' plans.

Part of me wishes Obama had at least another term or two as senator before running.

McCain I lost faith in after he started towing the party line during the 2000 elections, after he was defeated in the primaries. Prior to that, he was my pick.

I don't know much about Biden.

I think Palin as VP was a blatant ploy by McCain to get Hillary voters, or a way for his candidacy to be "just as historic" as Obama's.

And then there's the conversation I had with a friend of mine the other day. He said "Neither candidate is going to fix the problems in this country, but McCain's just going to make them worse. I just don't see him getting in after 8 years of Bush 2."

I responded, "Yeah, but did you think we'd have Bush 2 for a second term?"

Of course he said, "No, no I didn't."

Personally, I wouldn't mind high taxes if it actually went to something like making our country solvent again. Deficit spending sounds great in the short term but the more you get into a hole, the harder it is to get out of it. The Iraq war is a polarizing issue ... and I've always said, "We should have never gone in, we weren't done in Afghanistan, but we shouldn't leave now without making sure it's as fixed as we can make it." But then I think the flood of money we're spending (that I don't think we really have) to do this is one of the things making that deficit worse. I'm wondering if Iraq is to the US as Afghanistan was to the USSR.

Note: All this is just my opinion, it's not likely to change any time soon, say what you will - for every "Yeah but X candidate sucks because ____", there's an equal number of "Yeah but Y candidate sucks because _____".

Done with spouting my opinion of politics on this board ... no need to fuel any more of a fire than I might have already started.

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BotFodder wrote:
I'm torn.

I've heard some disturbing things about both of the major candidates' plans.

Part of me wishes Obama had at least another term or two as senator before running.

McCain I lost faith in after he started towing the party line during the 2000 elections, after he was defeated in the primaries. Prior to that, he was my pick.

I don't know much about Biden.

I think Palin as VP was a blatant ploy by McCain to get Hillary voters, or a way for his candidacy to be "just as historic" as Obama's.

And then there's the conversation I had with a friend of mine the other day. He said "Neither candidate is going to fix the problems in this country, but McCain's just going to make them worse. I just don't see him getting in after 8 years of Bush 2."

I responded, "Yeah, but did you think we'd have Bush 2 for a second term?"

Of course he said, "No, no I didn't."

Personally, I wouldn't mind high taxes if it actually went to something like making our country solvent again. Deficit spending sounds great in the short term but the more you get into a hole, the harder it is to get out of it. The Iraq war is a polarizing issue ... and I've always said, "We should have never gone in, we weren't done in Afghanistan, but we shouldn't leave now without making sure it's as fixed as we can make it." But then I think the flood of money we're spending (that I don't think we really have) to do this is one of the things making that deficit worse. I'm wondering if Iraq is to the US as Afghanistan was to the USSR.

Note: All this is just my opinion, it's not likely to change any time soon, say what you will - for every "Yeah but X candidate sucks because ____", there's an equal number of "Yeah but Y candidate sucks because _____".

Done with spouting my opinion of politics on this board ... no need to fuel any more of a fire than I might have already started. 


Don't think you're adding to the fire, Bot. You have articulated the issues that all of us probably feel towards Obama/McCain race.

My grand father once told me that 40% of the voting population will blindly vote Democrat because their parents/grandparents/etc always voted Democrat, same with the Republicans. It's the OTHER 20% swing (independent) vote that usually determines the outcome of a political race.

In all of the elections that I have voted in, rarely (twice) has it been the case that I could vote for for the person I liked rather than the lesser of two evils.........

Both Obama and McCain have their good and bad points. VP choices are gonna be the most heavily discussed issues of this campaign.

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Thè-Hättêr wrote:
non of above

however if i had to choose i would pick road .. even i think he is canadian

 


well thanks a south of the border voting for a north of the border
funny thing is I'm actually from Sri Lanka (have lived in Canada since I was one though)
honestly politics scare me (U.S and Canadian) I mean most of what the candidates say is BULL and the amount of the population that actually votes is even sadder.
People may say a two party system leaves no real option , but we have what 5 or 6 (if you count the "Green" Party) and our options aren't much better.
The people who run our countries have their voters interests in mind which doesn't always translate into what is best for the country.
what amazes me with American politics is the amount of money that is "donated" (favours to come later) for campaigns.
I mean sheesh put half of that into a third world country and give them clean drinking water .
(steps off soap box) I must say it has been one interesting year for American politics though

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Thè-Hättêr wrote:
non of above

however if i had to choose i would pick road .. even i think he is canadian

 


well thanks a south of the border voting for a north of the border
funny thing is I'm actually from Sri Lanka (have lived in Canada since I was one though)
honestly politics scare me (U.S and Canadian) I mean most of what the candidates say is BULL and the amount of the population that actually votes is even sadder.
People may say a two party system leaves no real option , but we have what 5 or 6 (if you count the "Green" Party) and our options aren't much better.
The people who run our countries have their voters interests in mind which doesn't always translate into what is best for the country.
what amazes me with American politics is the amount of money that is "donated" (favours to come later) for campaigns.
I mean sheesh put half of that into a third world country and give them clean drinking water .
(steps off soap box) I must say it has been one interesting year for American politics though 



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In my humble opinion:

If I could vote my choice would be Obama. Wish Clinton had won and Obama was her running mate. I do not think Obama has enough experience but there needs to be a change. Race and gender have nothing to do with my choice. The polls are stating that these 2 parties are very close. I would not vote for an independent as they are not going to win this election. It would be better to pick the lesser evil of the 2 top parties as it may come down to just a few votes. This election is stated as being one of the most important in US history.

I'm with you Hatter, Road is friendly, diplomatic, well-mannered and thoughtful, traits that some of these polititions lack.
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Well, for those of you wondering about Palin. I will tell you what I know,

First Let me say that I did not vote for her for Gov. I voted for Tony Knowles. That said, after her first year as Governor I found that she actually had fulfilled many of her campaign promises. Despite the fact that I do not like her politics very much, I have some respect for her because she does try to do what she says she is going to.

People should know that she is all about fiscal responsibility. She cut many, many, many programs and grants that the state normally has available, and as a result we have a balanced budget and a reserve for state emergency's. This was very painful for some organizations, in fact several went bankrupt.

On the other hand there seems to be some jinky things going on with rules loopholes and maybe doing whats right with the wrong methods.

Example: Governors are provided a home in Juneau Ak. so that they have somewhere to conduct business from when the legislature is in session. For part of this last year it appears she was on the road conducting state business with oil and gas companies in Anchorage, as is allowed, she charged the state per diem on a daily basis for this time. It has recently been revealed that she was living in her own home in Wasilla and driving to Anchorage each day, and charging the state to live in her own home.

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The most important thing is to get out and vote. Your vote counts. If you are a first time voter there is a forum on CNN called "The League of First Time Voters”, check it out. I watch a lot of CNN, Larry King, Anderson Cooper 360 (my favourite) and Glen Beck to learn more about USA politics as they affect Canada.

I think all the candidates are scary this is a hard election. Sorry not to offend but Palin scares me the most.

The economy is bad right now and it is going to get worst before it gets better. You have to think of the long term not fixes not short term fixes that the government is doing right now (example bail-outs).

Great advice, from Griz " A politician is a politician is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pick the one that is closest to getting you want”.

Spend time and research each party and all the candidates.
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Miss Kitty wrote:
The most important thing is to get out and vote. Your vote counts. If you are a first time voter there is a forum on CNN called "The League of First Time Voters”, check it out.
 

I've technically voted before, but this will be my first presidential election. I do have a definite opinion on it and have researched heavily into the candidates, but overall I'm just very excited to vote. I try and keep as up to date on news as possible and have encouraged my friends to vote... I'm hoping for a better turnout for the 18-25 year olds this election, should be interesting!
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Hello Pyramidion.

Wow that is terrific, it is great that you are so enthusiastic and that you know your candidate! I am glad that you are going to enjoy this experience. Thank you for encouraging others to vote and for taking the time to educate yourself. Voting is not an easy task it takes research to figure out who you think the best.

At a young age my dad told me that the right to vote was very important and to do it he said this is one thing we have. He said it in a much eloquent way I always remember his advice. He reminded me that the Suffragettes fought for the right for women to vote. And to remember the fight that African Americans went though to vote. This was not too long ago in the Western world.

When I was young, I remember a friend of mine who encouraged me to vote year and I was being lazy. She told me to pick her party and told me it was the best choice. I had researched a little and had an opinion, which was not hers, but thought my vote would not make a difference. This was really lazy behaviour on my part I would have rather watched Coronation street on TV at the time. She volunteered for her party and told me she would drive me to the polling station and give me a free lunch. Great I got a tuna sandwich, an apple and a free ride there and back so I went to vote. I never told her that I voted for my party and not hers!

My mother and dad voted for different parties and a row ensued. I was the result of an election when my parents made up the same night!
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I must disagree with you Miss Kitty on one thing. The most important thing is not to vote, just for the sake of voting. Inform yourself, read newspapers, listen to radio, watch debates but stay away from corporate networks, as they WILL steer you one way or another without giving you an objective or critical view of reality. Their job is to make you think the way THEY want, the do the thinking for you. You call that having a good criteria to vote? Don't think so.

If you get your information from OUTSIDE your country, you'd be surprised the bubble you live in. Your perspective changes and see things for what they really are. Think outside the bubble.

The scary part is not so much the politicians, but the number (millions, now THAT is scary) of "misinformed" voters that "think" they know what
the real issues are, because they "saw" TV ads and propaganda garbage, without having the proper criteria, or the
critical thinking involved to make a wise vote.


Do you want to know what scary is? Being aware how easy is to manipulate masses with nonsense, shifting and
twisting truth as politicians see fit. People fall for it !!!!! Why? Well in mild language, ignorance.

How do you explain the mess we're in? Starting on 2000, and people want to continue with same ideology, miserable economy etc., and still are undecided for which party they want to vote for?

Are we in the Matrix? I wonder ...

I rest my case.




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I did not say to vote for the sake of voting please read again.

In my opinion, CNN is a very good resource they show all sides of the debate. With that said, Glen Beck (CNN) seems to only show the Republican side. I would not stand next to him at the voting booth. BUT I do like to hear his argument as he thinks outside the box.

“The scary part is not so much the politicians, but the number (millions, now THAT is scary) of "misinformed" voters that "think" they know what
the real issues are, because they "saw" TV ads and propaganda garbage, without having the proper criteria, or the
critical thinking involved to make a wise vote”  


The “misinformed” took the time to vote and they are part of a process. I think the lazy ones would far out number than the “misinformed” voters. I would rather see one take the interested than have no interest at all. I do not know anyone that finds politics an easy learn. I may be one of those misinformed but I vote to make a change and have my voice heard. The armchair spectators are the ones that complain the most the ones that were too lazy to vote. We should encourage not discourage people to vote.
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i dont know i only wish that the best candidate wins, and i hope he has the "guns" to deal with so many issues that the states face right now..
like the financial problems ( many banks broke this week which is like giant fist towards humankind pockets)

whatsoever, since i do really concern about US politics i was reading an article about McCain...(cant explain in english but, a like some things about him, and other i just didnt)

luck and vote FOR THE BEST CANDIDATE WITH THE MORE REALISTIC CAMPAIGN :d

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Here is one of the interesting things about living as far west and in Alaska when it comes to national elections (and working a night shift.)

I get up about 10:00 or 11:00 most days AK time, thats about 5 pm east coast so polling numbers are strong and the polls are about done on the east coast, usually there are indications of where California and Texas are going at that time but they are hardly done.

I hit the polls about 5 PM here which is on my lunch hour, they have a polling place in the lobby of the building I work in so it takes 2 minutes. then I go over and have lunch and see how its going.

East coast is in and has a strong count, through Ohio, Texas and Cali about done, OK, they are close to choosing the winner.

In some ways its like the 2 electoral votes from AK don't matter, they often don't even have them on the map when it comes to counting. In others its like instant gratification.

My opinion on this election. We have lots of politicians, many of them were lawyers in professional life. We need more people who are dedicated and knowledgeable about money, jobs, science and negotiation.

Hey Ghost: it sounds like you think that people are letting the politicians and special interests tell them what the issues are, if that is true, what do you think the issues are?

and because I asked, I will tell you what I think the largest issues are for me. (I feel there are many truths, for many people)

#1 for me is security v.s. liberty.

#2 energy.

#3 Jobs, economy, deregulation, business crime.

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