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Grizzled_Imposter

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I have been wondering about the ettiquite of a few things on Druids server.
So im going to ask.

Kill theft: I have heard a few jokes or minor sarcastic remarks about it but, it seems that it is catch as catch can.

Shot Blocking: This one I find annoying, but I have started to have to do it myself ops:

Pickups: I know that you cannot camp the MEGA weapons, but I have seen players who start with these weapons return time and time again to the spawn point just as the deemer or Ion are rezzzing, I assume it's allowed.

Thanks for the anwser(s) in anvance guys!

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Basically a kill is a kill, but if you see someone lining up a headshot on a nali it would be nice not to throw 3 rockets in their face.

Not sure what you mean by shot blocking, I assume you mean standing in front of someone blocking any damage they do. It's bound to happen accidentally, but making a habit out of it is a no no, and this also lends itself to having that player be deemered by his own deemer.

For artifacts the player who makes the kill should get the artifact, and in regards to superweapons the only time I'll ever grab one is if I'm one of the few left on a wave and already used my deemer/painter. Not nice to steal deemers when you have LW 3 or above.
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Mach10 wrote:
Not nice to steal deemers when you have LW 3 or above. 


Definately not. You're just gonna get one again the next round. The only exception is if it's Wave 16 and you're one of the few left.

I don't think kill stealing is that bad. You get experience for doing damage, and you get points and adren for the last hit. Everyone's pretty much shooting any moving object anyway, so it's not too noticeable.

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Grizzled_Imposter

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Yes, shot blocking is where you are working on a monster with a high visability weapon, like link or shock etc. and another player steps in front of the player who is firing to take the kill.

I see it, but it is debatable weather it is on purpose most of the time, it is worst when there is a narrow field of fire, a small gap or cleft you are taking partial cover behind when some one steps right in front of you and blocks your whole ability to fire.

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Grizzled_Imposter wrote:
Kill theft 


No such thing. This has been brought up in the past. Presuming to lay claim to any monster is folley. It's like pidgeons in a park. We are the pidgeons and the server is throwing bread crumbs. Unless the birds can read each others minds, which is about as likely as Mars colliding with Earth, its a free for all.

It is pretty much individual discretion to let nali, or any other critter, slide. I won't because that same nali could be slipping up behind you with a shield gun to your head. I see it as saving lives of team mates, others see it differently.

Grizzled_Imposter wrote:
Shot Blocking 


This is a new tactic to me, but one that is easily overcome. Move.
Hemming a player into a corner so s/he cannot shoot is not a very nice thing to do. It defeats the team spirit and I'd hate to witness something like that.

Grizzled_Imposter wrote:
Pickups 


Claiming pickups is a tough one. If someone is standing by a DD waiting for the next wave to start and somebody else takes it, that could chap some hide. The general rule is the same as The Golden Rule, "Do unto others". As for the LW players hogging the supers, it isn't very nice, but as far as I know, it isn't against the rules.

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I do believe you've covered it Chyster. Thanks for backing up a lot of it and clarifying. Anyway there's my input

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Chyster nailed it right on the head. Thanks man!

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Once you claim that LW players cant take a second deemer, you might as well tell the LA players they cant go after the DoubleDamage. As a low level player I say get whatever you can to continue your game.

As far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as kill stealing, but artifact stealing really gets my goat. I've seen it where I've had less than one second to get to an artifact before someone else veered off their course to take it. In my book go ahead and get it but be prepared to give it up if the player who made the kill asks for it back.

I've heard people say "I'm going for headshots, please don't kill the nalis" This is an absurd thing to ask. Now, if they are willing to go off in a corner of the map and ask this then I don't see a problem with not going over there, just as long as they tell everyone when they're done.
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crabman2 wrote:
Once you claim that LW players cant take a second deemer, you might as well tell the LA players they cant go after the DoubleDamage. As a low level player I say get whatever you can to continue your game.

As far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as kill stealing, but artifact stealing really gets my goat. I've seen it where I've had less than one second to get to an artifact before someone else veered off their course to take it. In my book go ahead and get it but be prepared to give it up if the player who made the kill asks for it back.

 


Grizzled, the important thing is to follow the rules. Everything else that another player does for you is a bonus.

The bottom line with etiquette is that ultimately it's one person's opinion vs another, and before a player gets upset, they should ask themselves "did that person break the rules?" If the other player did not break the rules, you might politely ask for clarification or resolution, but if you don't get it, move on and just play.

Crabmann, no offense, but I disagree. It's a perfect example of differing opinions, neither of which are necessarily wrong in my book.

Not bragging, but with the amount of stuff I typically kill with my LW char, the reality is that I am the victim of "artifact theft" way more than the perpetrator. How many times have my mines killed a monster that I didn't see? How many times have I killed a monster with LG across the map but had no chance to get to the artifact? It happens all the time, in fact, probably about once every other map.

So when someone comes at me saying "That's mine!", if I'm in a good mood I might say "here ya go". Other times, I don't kowtow to someone solely to avoid hurting their feelings. I focused, practiced and hustled more than the other player and that's why I got the artifact, or the deemer, or the DD, or whatever.

Some people don't like me because of that. Oh well. Life is pain. I'll get over it. I am not hypocritical in the slightest, however. If you beat me to an artifact, I'll curse me, not you (with the mic off, of course). I was too slow. Next time I'll move faster.

I think this post is relevant:

TheDruidXpawX wrote:
Woohoo! I think the majority of these etiquette posts are flamebait anyway.

Here's what I think:<ol>
<li>First and foremost, follow the rules! We wrote them, you read them, and someone with your CD key agreed to them.</li>
<li>If I see a pickup I need, I might take it. I do not have time in the game to figure out who's lucky weapon spawned it. If you want a game that runs slow enough that those sorts of things can occur, join the World of Walking</li>
<li>If I'm playing a non-artifact character, and I see an artifact I can use, I might grab it. If I'm nice, I'll give it to whomever killed the monster.</li>
<li>If I'm a n00b, I'll turn on autotaunt. If I'm an experienced player, I'll probably turn it off. It's worthy to note that it's not against the rules.</li>
<li>The first player that lectures me about how they were waiting for the keg of health when I grabbed it will receive a swift connection between my foot and their buttocks </li>
<li>I will shoot at the monster I see with the lowest health. You may feel that I take your kills. I feel that I reduced the number of titan rocks flying about the board.</li>

</ol>Am I saying that you shouldn't be a nice player? Absolutely not! I really prefer to play with nice players.

What I'm saying is that when I'm playing, I'm translocating all over the place. I may not even know that I picked up something you were waiting for.

If I see you there, I might be nice and wait a second; but I'm not going to ask if you wanted that double damage pickup. I'll probably just nab it. 


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I read this and felt a bit guilty (but just a bit). I have be running thru the map and stepped in front of someone shots. Why? Because I was going in that direction and whatever they were shooting at was keeping me doing so. The only answer is to kill it. Now if I am using a shield gun and I see a monster I am going after it no if's, and, or buts. Now if there is an artifact I see that I could use pop up due to a kill I will hang back for half a sec to see if the player that made the kill picks it up. If they don't I am going to take it. When a LA player dies then its a free-for-all and whoever can grab stuff should try to do so. Maybe this is hte wrong way to look at things and if it is just let me know.
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Thanks Guys.

I know the rules. I know how the vast majority of the people on this server act (with kindness and generosity).

I also do not want people here to end up with a negitive openion of me because I play aggresively. I also don't want to feel cheated because I don't know the standard.

Thanks again guys, it is plain to me now.




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I am going to point out something about the whole mess of "You have LW3" or "You have LA3"... Besides the fact that the LW player may have expended their superweapon in the middle of a killer wave (such as 12 or 14 IIRC) and there may still be lots of titans, queens and warlords to worry about, both the higher level LW and higher level LA players occassionally give out their goodies to some other player, need to replace it, and do not want to die to do so. I have lost count of how many times I have given some medic (especially a lower level medic) my globe for going out of their way and healing me. Sometimes, I have even given out my MWM before making all my good weapons just because someone had a really nasty weapon, even though it is a mega PITA trying to pick up that replacement (I have to stand on it and wait until it starts disappearing before I can get it).

BTW...I wish I could pick up extra MWMs, triples, etc and give them out when someone needs them while keeping my own. Unfortunately, that is not the case. So most of the time I just call em out and hope someone can come by and pick it up.

On this deal of shot blocking... I know things like this happen by accident all the time, but we need to be more careful. I have lost track of the number of times I have had someone go in front of me while I am using a rage+10, a +5 or some other nasty splash weapon, only to end up going from nearly full health to nearly dead. It gets really bad when I am running the triple. Given that I have no regen or vamp, and will stay at that level of health until further hurt, healed, I find a keg, healthpack, etc., or fire off the booster, this is a quick way of getting a reminder, and possibly being ignored for a short period of time (esp. if you are a repeat offender) if I can ID who you are.

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crabman2 wrote:
In my book go ahead and get it but be prepared to give it up if the player who made the kill asks for it back. 


With all the guns going off in these small maps, you cannot be positively sure you were the one giving the killing blow. So, this too falls into the bread crumb and pidgeon scenario. As Dru stated elsewhere, a nice person may give it up. But, nowhere is there a ruling that states they must.

Spacey wrote:
On this deal of shot blocking... I have had someone go in front of me while I am using a rage+10, a +5 or some other nasty splash weapon, only to end up going from nearly full health to nearly dead. 


These weapons are equipped at user discretion and peril. Everyone should know the possibilities, if they don't they soon find out. IMO, it isn't necessarily someone elses problem if I kill myself using these weapons by bouncing a shot off the back of their head.

Grizzled_Imposter wrote:
I also do not want people here to end up with a negitive openion of me because I play aggresively. I also don't want to feel cheated because I don't know the standard. 


There is an old addage that goes along the lines of "It is easier to get forgiveness than it is to get permission". Though this could be true in most of what life would bring to you, it isn't necessarily the case here at DC. From what I have learned, it is better to get clarification, than to get banned. Forgiveness on this matter is difficult to come by.

So by all means, no problem, ask away. There are rules, ideologies, strategies and opinions. So long as people follow the rules when developing the others in that list, no worries.

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I like it when people shot block. The other day a huge titan rock was flying at me face but someone kindly jumped in the way and became my ad-hoc meat shield.
 
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