]Those weapons are not as good as Flak and Mini. 

I'd like to see a separate thread for each of the classes.  

Okay, for the Medic, if they are at such a 'disadvantage', why do some other players say they get more EXP from their Medics than their Weapon Masters? This is one reason why I suggest we use a single medic weapon, and if they are still at a 'disadvantage', then the experience percentage for Medics healing will simply be raised. Also, you can't really call it spamming knockback if you can't do anything else except heal :). As for the Engineer... verything you said, except you said turrets. Turrets *and* vehicles will be constructable, though, I didn't think of turrets in my first thought. What's TFC? 

So DM games wouldn't have any vehicles, sort of defeating the purpose of Engineers except in any games that do have them. 

Here's a suggestion. not sure if its been suggested or not. How about quests.... Like in the beginning of the map it will display a quest. I.E. Kill 4 rabbits, find 5 artifacts, use a triple damage with the unreal damage, kill 30 creatures with shock combo only, get a monster kill combo, score 100+ points in a single wave, etc. and when each quest is complete you get xp for it. like maybe just 100 or so depending on the difficulty. when a quest is complete then you get a new quest throughout the map, or each quest is done on 1 quest per wave. I think this would expand the goal for doing things out of the ordinary for extra xp, which you are not forced to do anyways. it can be displayed in the corner like during assault maps. 

There would be limited stocks of everything (restock every map), so, for example, if you wanted to buy a Triple Damage (so you'd start with it on the next map), there would only be a couple, so you may or may not get it, depending on if other people want it or not.  

Don't know if this one has been mentioned, but how about a skill for LW's called Proficiency. The price would be medium to high, could be multiple levels to purchase. You pick one weapon when you purchase the ability (it would stay the same for the life of the player, or untill the skill was reset.) and you would be considered a master with that wep, a damage modifier would be automaticaly added to you when you were using any kind of this weapon, including negitives. (so, lets say, I buy it and choose a flak. lvl 1= +2 stacked with what ever kind of flak i use, ie a -2 flak would act like a 0 flak. if I picked a shock lvl 1=+2 a vorpal 9 would = +11) 

Don't know if this one has been mentioned, but how about a skill for LW's called Proficiency. The price would be medium to high, could be multiple levels to purchase. You pick one weapon when you purchase the ability (it would stay the same for the life of the player, or untill the skill was reset.) and you would be considered a master with that wep, a damage modifier would be automaticaly added to you when you were using any kind of this weapon, including negitives. (so, lets say, I buy it and choose a flak. lvl 1= +2 stacked with what ever kind of flak i use, ie a -2 flak would act like a 0 flak. if I picked a shock lvl 1=+2 a vorpal 9 would = +11) 

... you could categorize weapons, maybe have Assault Proficieny where mini and AR are benefitted. Sniper Prof, the two snipes, etc. Don't know how you could group the other weps, though.. they're kinda unique ;) 

Or base it on which key you use to access. So mine layer and bio go together, flak and grenade, rocket and avril etc 

]I thyink LA is perfect as it is. 

IMO if a mage class is to appear, do a Mage class, but dont change LA. 

I like my class as is, it frustrate me a lot when people ask to change LA. Why?!? We dont ask to change LW dont we? 

Why can't we all just get along. Once we do that and embrace our differences, that's when we shall rise and become better people.  

I thyink LA is perfect as it is. 

I like my class as is, it frustrate me a lot when people ask to change LA. Why?!? We dont ask to change LW dont we? 

]Maybe if we could talk to each other face to face everyone would understand that im not complaining... And i never tough you would have seen complains with what i wrote. /:) Bah, maybe ill just stop to write then if it makes me look negative. I dont know why i always got this problem when i write in english. 

I say the skys the limit, there's no reason to limit them.  

As it is now, he hasn't been here playing in the past month or two, and I have a feeling it's because there's no reason to increase his character any, there's nowhere to go. He's moved onto other games. If given something to shoot for we may be graced with his presence again. 

If we've lost him, it's not due to "no where to go", but more than likely we've lost him to another game. It happens ... I myself would be stuck (and have been for most of a weekend) in GalCiv2 if I kept starting new games in that. 

He's moved onto other games.  

You are, sorry to say, not reading my post completly. :-B

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He's moved onto other games.  

Now, back to the topic, I just think a few more skills or a few more levels to the skills would be a nice reward for those who put in the time. 

my wife got it for me . my birthday ... ... i have to play it some or ann said ill get me a weedeater next year for my birthday.  

If all skills were doubled and the stat points to purchase those extra skills increased to triple, then we're talking at least another four and a half years (1.5 tripled is 4.5) before he would reach those goals. Thats a total of six years before a (good) player would run out of things to spend stats on.  

I don't know if anyone else has suggested this.... sorry too many pages. I was wondering if there was any way to show on like a stat screen which monsters you have killed. It would be similar to the F3 screen where you can see how many kills per gun. There have been times espescially on the harder waves where I have wondered if I killed a titan or queen or warlord. And if so, how many? I don't know if this is even possible, but if so, I think it would be pretty cool. 

How do you get this mutator? Thanks. 

What? The BattleStats mutator? It only requires itself to be running on the server (and it has to go in the ServerPackages) I had it on my server a long while, but I didn't think anyone was really using it (just type battlestats or bs with a parameter into the console) so I took it off... 

Get Resupply. I'm beginning to think that the new advice to newbies who will *not* be medics is to dump points into ammo bonus (until they hit 50) so they can get resupply first. Some maps it ain't a problem. Some maps it's fatal. 

I've been playing as a LA charactor for a slight while now, and while it may have been mentioned quite a few times, I'm very curious about the direction they are going. My main concern is how extremly difficult it is to survive as a low-level charcter. There is no real boost for a LA charactor when they are a low level. This is very apparant at the start of waves during which you died previously. Denial 2 is a very hefty thing to buy and isn't available for low level players, so at the start of the wave your pretty much helpless. Something to say might be the use of Globes and what not, but they are really not that effecient until you get a lot of adrenaline and high levels of the adrenaline drips and what not. So my main point is while both medics have the advantage of their infinite healing weapon (a healing flak and your pretty much good to go as long as your decent at picking your fights wisely) and weapon masters can get loaded weapons and start with an array of weapons. My suggestion then is to give the LA charactors a slight boost in the form of a new artifact. The new artifact would brand a weapon as your creation and would cost a certain amount of adrenaline. The weapon will get a slight boost in say it's attack speed and damage, but the real benefit would be in handing it out. Handing out your specially branded weapon would allow you to get a small amount of xp for each kill that weapon makes. This would give the LA a slight bump as a more powerful weapon when they start and don't quite have the adrenaline to MWM it, and it could also give them a bump for xp if they passed it out. I'm not sure how much coding that would take, but it would make a couple useful advantages. Other charactors could get a slightly more powerful weapon and the LA charactor could get more xp. This encourages other classes to want weapons made the LA player. It also adds a slight bit of strategy in that the LA charactor would have to decide to pass it out or keep it. 

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I've been playing as a LA charactor for a slight while now, and while it may have been mentioned quite a few times, I'm very curious about the direction they are going. My main concern is how extremly difficult it is to survive as a low-level charcter. There is no real boost for a LA charactor when they are a low level. This is very apparant at the start of waves during which you died previously. Denial 2 is a very hefty thing to buy and isn't available for low level players, so at the start of the wave your pretty much helpless. Something to say might be the use of Globes and what not, but they are really not that effecient until you get a lot of adrenaline and high levels of the adrenaline drips and what not. So my main point is while both medics have the advantage of their infinite healing weapon (a healing flak and your pretty much good to go as long as your decent at picking your fights wisely) and weapon masters can get loaded weapons and start with an array of weapons. My suggestion then is to give the LA charactors a slight boost in the form of a new artifact. The new artifact would brand a weapon as your creation and would cost a certain amount of adrenaline. The weapon will get a slight boost in say it's attack speed and damage, but the real benefit would be in handing it out. Handing out your specially branded weapon would allow you to get a small amount of xp for each kill that weapon makes. This would give the LA a slight bump as a more powerful weapon when they start and don't quite have the adrenaline to MWM it, and it could also give them a bump for xp if they passed it out. I'm not sure how much coding that would take, but it would make a couple useful advantages. Other charactors could get a slightly more powerful weapon and the LA charactor could get more xp. This encourages other classes to want weapons made the LA player. It also adds a slight bit of strategy in that the LA charactor would have to decide to pass it out or keep it. 

Artifacts is definately tougher starting out. But it's a good thing. It creates options for people who want different challenges. Also, with all the medics, it's not too bad. The balance of not having vamp or regen is easily made up in the adren and the triple. A monster that goes down in a third of the time is shooting at you 2/3 less. I'm oversimplifying, but that's the general idea. The ability to max weapons or max + 1 is also key. Artifacts players *must* use the triple and have good overall map knowledge to do well.  

I was thinking it'd be cool to have something like a denial 4, where you can keep your weapons for more than 1 map. It would be expensive, maybe only for 2 maps, then maybe denial 5 for 3 or more maps. I just get tired of using my LA charactor to make a really good weapon, getting it on like wave 14 or 15 then losing it after the map is done. Just a thought. 

Include 1 deemer Nali in wave 16. Maybe 2 

Increase the weapon speed attribute cap 

...have a Loaded Weapons/Loaded Artifacts player... 

Add Stability skill: much like the sturdy weapons but only dampening the effect rather than nullifying it out.  

This has been discussed before, and the idea was bounced. I run a test system where I have a combined LW/LA/Medic character, and it is much too powerful. LAs need to be dependent on medics for healing, or use up their adrenaline for healing. Give an LA either the medic weapon or Vampire/Regeneration and you have problems. Which is why Druid split them up in the first place.  

Just an observation: If the very high level players have a problem with not enough to buy, you would think that it would be them posting...... 

Szlat wrote:

This has been discussed before, and the idea was bounced. I run a test system where I have a combined LW/LA/Medic character, and it is much too powerful. LAs need to be dependent on medics for healing, or use up their adrenaline for healing. Give an LA either the medic weapon or Vampire/Regeneration and you have problems. Which is why Druid split them up in the first place.  

Your right, that would be too powerful. I was thinking that if it was implemented, the skills would cost double or maybe even triple the cost for each level. But that would encourage people to continue playing their high level character without starting over with a new character.  

Personally, I think as the level/skill increases on the server, the monster difficulty can be slowly tweaked upward, while the starting level of new players can be adjusted to compensate.  

Just an observation: If the very high level players have a problem with not enough to buy, you would think that it would be them posting...... 

It's also important to note that there is a wide range of skills represented on DC, from beginner to Expert. And skill gap alone accounts for major differences in score. There are people who, at level 80, can outscore those at level 160.  

However, I am not sure of the idea of continually increasing difficulty as high level players get higher, and adding new players at a higher level.  

Still, if monster difficulty continued upward and it became a foregone conclusion that a single high level player left would get decimated, I think you would see a greater tendency toward more team-based play to avoid that scenario. While I like being a lone gun, believe it or not I also love teamplay. But the server as-is doesn't encourage it enough, in my opinion.  

Make it too difficult for one player to survive alone, or add 'group benefiting' artifacts/skills (e.g. artifact whereby players within a certain distance get double damage), or improve the power of the link gun chains so they do serious damage, or adjust the end game bonus so the bonus goes up the more players survive. Lots of possibilities.  

However, you have to bear in mind I am a team player and like team games. Not everyone plays for that reason, and so not everyone would welcome such a change. And I am not sure it would be right to force such a change on those that didn't want it. 

2k3 is a great example because it became extremely difficult above wave 20, but with teamwork it was at least possible, while the lonegunman wouldn't last too long. Maybe it's just me, but I loved that, it brought every player together, including the high levels, to unite... don't take this the wrong way, because I loved DC when I started and still do, I just miss winning the map together rather than having 3/4 of people fight alone and still winning without too much struggle. Anyway I don't know what could be done, but I'd have to agree with 320 on missing some teamplay :?  

Just a quick thing I noticed: Denial: level 4 allows accidental self inflicted deaths. That probably wouldn't be added. Self-inflicted deaths cause you to lose your weapons for a good reason. What if you have crappy weapons and you want to start with a new set? You're screwed; even if you kill yourself, you'll still have that dang Flak -3 (for example). At least, I think that's why it has that failsafe. Anyone may correct me if I'm wrong. 

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Of couse, if anything like this happened I would instantly become the most hated player on the server. I don't really mind though.  

I don't understand :? What do you mean "become" /:) :)) :))  

The Sturdy weapon type has always seemed a bit underpowered, and the magic effect is not affected by the +. I can't remember if it has been suggested before, but how about also giving Sturdy weapons the Countershove ability, so as the + goes up, the attackers are knocked back more? Would make it even more useful on maps with dangerous footing. 

The problem with things like Denial is that it rids the player of some of the real adrenaline of nearing death. We've all been through the 'run like heck with fifty warlords behind you with 11 health left', and it scares the crap out of us, causing us to be more twitchy, more adrenaline-pumped, more aware, sometimes, of our surroundings. But then you have abilities like this that reassure the player, 'don't worry, you'll still have your weapons'. This is the same reason I oppose giving Medics the ability to revive the dead. I mean, look at it this way: When someone dies at a hospital, they're dead. Medics can do nothing (defibrillation doesn't count) to bring them back from the place their spirit then dwells in. But it once again removes the fear of death, because with revivication, you can just be brought back to life.  

Things like Ghost I'm okay with, though, because it's not perpetual. You use it once per wave, and that's it. It's essentially just doubling your Health Bonus, which is a standard feature of the game.